Dispensationalism and the 12-Day War: A Deep Dive with Andrew Rappaport

Welcome to another edition of the rap report I'm your host Andrew rap report the executive director of striving for eternity and the

Christian podcast community Which this podcast is a proud member. We are here to give you biblical interpretations and applications for the

Christian life What we have for you today is an episode that I was on with the bold Apologia Adam Parker who is one of the other

Podcasts on the Christian podcast community and with that he wanted to discuss something that's been in the news quite a bit

He wanted to discuss Israel Dispensationalism and the 12 -day war.

Yes, we will get into some of the kerfuffle over Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson big discussion they had on the

Israel and what is or who is Israel so that will be coming your way right now on The rap report

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And now your host Adam Parker Hey there bold apology a podcast listeners.

I'm your host Adam Parker. Thank you for tuning in to this podcast I'm actually really excited to have an opportunity to talk once again with Andrew Rappaport Sometimes when

I talk about him with other people, I kind of call him the godfather of the Christian podcast community. I really enjoy

His company being able to talk to him things like that. And one thing that is always interesting when it comes to Andrew is the

Opportunity to talk to him about issues related to Israel geopolitics politics in general things like that and this is gonna be a much more political podcast that I'm about to get into here because Really?

What I'd like to do is talk about Israel. I'd like to get into the topic of dispensationalism a little bit

I want to talk about the 12 -day war which Hopefully Lord willing stays just a 12 -day war and is

Concluded we'll see how that goes You know how some of these things can be just regarding Israel and Iran so be praying for them be praying that it stays just a 12 -day war and one of the things that you will have often heard when you listen to my

Intro to my videos or my podcast It says that this is all done in light of theology apologetics and culture and this is a cultural issue and so Yeah, of course, we'll talk a little bit about political

Things and that's okay and Christians should not be silent on these issues

It's so important that we talk about these things And so with that said I'm gonna go ahead and add Andrew to the stage

Andrew, thank you so much for Joining us. I'm excited about this conversation that really we're gonna be having here, so Thank you.

Well, thanks for having me glad to be back on the bold apology a podcast. Yeah. Thank you so much

Like I said, I wanted to talk about Israel Dispensationalism and the 12 -day war

I actually recently put up a post it was June 19th around the time the 12 -day war really kicked off and I got a lot of pushback a lot of pushback and they're from Christians and I'm not saying that Christians can't be opposed to Israel or you know, or anything like that particularly the nation -state or the political

Entity that it is. I'm not saying Christians can't criticize Israel I'm not in that camp growing up as a kid actually being that I grew up in Pentecostal circles charismatic circles,

I know what it's I when when these people who are often

Criticizing Israel because there are people who do when they are criticizing Israel They bring up the most extreme examples and I have seen and lived in the most extreme examples

Where Israel can do no wrong where you don't even have to give your life to Christ If you're a

Jew, you can just be saved by following the law Which it's impossible for someone who is

Jewish to follow the law not just because it's impossible But because there's no sacrificial system in the first place

I just point that out but but there's issues Related to that and I don't know if it's just a cultural swing in the other direction

Because of the craziness that has been seen on some of these, you know

Media outlets like TBN, you know, they're real Really supportive of Israel and all of that But anyway, we we get to the point where we're at now and I'm just noticing a huge change and I'm noticing a huge change of Where it's like it's gotten to the point where there's a massive amount of Christian tolerance or even

Promotion of just anti -semitic Anti -semitic rhetoric in general is what

I'm trying to say. And and so with that said would you just take Sometime introduce yourself one one thing that I know

I'm going to hear Andrew is There will be people Who will respond and say well nothing

Andrew says is True because he's Jewish. That's gonna come up.

It is it is it's actually quite sickening And these people are

Christians who would be saying this it's it's crazy. It's crazy, which is also Those of you who are already prepared to say that I just need you to know that is a logical fallacy

It's called the genetic fallacy Fallacy you cannot discredit someone's argument because of their ethnicity or or their origin

That's that's not how any of this works But with that said Andrew, can you introduce yourself talk about some of the podcasts you do some of the work you do?

And then we'll jump right into this discussion Sure, as you mentioned, yes,

I am from a Jewish background Many people will say that that's why I'm dispensational. No, it's not we could get into that more

I am the president and executive director of both striving fraternity and the Christian podcast community

And so striving fraternity is really a discipleship ministry We try to do discipleship through many means through Christian podcast me we try to disciple podcasters help them improve and give them a way of Working together getting their their content out and as far as churches we go into churches usually churches we try to go to the churches where no none of the big ministries will go to Because there's not enough money in it because they're gonna lose money and they're more about doing a business.

So We're not we're actually into interested in doing ministry. It's crazy idea, but we go to churches.

There's there's smaller Yes, I mean I've preached to the smallest size flown around the country to go to five people six people and And I'm perfectly fine with that as a ministry where we want to help those smaller churches, so we come in and give them that big conference feel as far as Bringing in weekend seminars things like that We have an online

Academy that people can take for free. That's how we make our money. Oh Wait, that doesn't quite make money.

All right, so but yeah, they could take we have some courses out there they could take for free and so That's a little bit about the ministry to the points that you were saying

There's a lot of people who have been responding ever since really October 7th. I Have seen a ton of people more so with the 12 -day war

Which I kind of think Trump titled it the 12 -day war for two reasons There was the sick six -day war that Israel had which just was to show how effective they were in their

Warfare in their intelligence and the same here that was with Egypt and a number of other nations, right?

Yeah, I mean It really was kind of creative. I mean they they had people that had

Had basically set up areas where underground where they would be able to Come in quickly to Israel and what

Israel did was had a guy who worked his way up into the Senior level and convinced them to put a specific tree.

I forget what type of tree but it put a tree at Each of the spots so would look more natural and and once they agreed to do that Israel knew exactly where to All of their bunkers and so I mean now they're just shooting missiles through people's bedroom windows

Yeah, I mean the accuracy and and they get accused of you know, they're there

They're you know killing families and you know They're they're taking out hospitals and what we saw was the hospital in Gaza was taken out by people in Gaza That didn't have great weaponry and it just that one went awry now

Iran hit a hospital in Israel. I don't remember seeing that in the news, huh?

Not none the American news, what do you know, but after October 7th and more so with the start of the 12 -day war we have seen a lot of people in mostly reformed camp covenant the theology camp

That have been pushing back on Israel and I think it's a theological argument that they're trying to argue for rather than a

A I'm trying to think what would be a good word for it because they they there's some that actually just reject the nation of Israel altogether and that's how far it has come and their their view that Israel is the church

Has affected it so much that they they're they're just almost rewriting history. Yeah.

Yeah, actually and I Have heard some of the craziest craziest art like so and I know what you're saying to the coming from the covenantal perspective and of course, they're gonna be very opposed to the idea of modern

Israel or Israel being reborn because God has rejected Israel in covenant theology, but but Even to the point where they're rewriting the history of Zionism You know a guy who

I've had on my on my rap report podcast is You know Dale Partridge and I had him on my podcast talk about head coverings

But he's got a new book out called the Israel delusion Challenging Christian Zionism and reclaiming the church as the true

Israel and when he posted this Online, he said the Jews are not the covenant people of God we are we

If we confuse covenant I dot Identity with ethnic identity. We will misread the entire arc of redemptive history.

Now, here's the thing You that doesn't really change the entire arc of redemptive history.

It just Affects their view that they are Israel because the the covenant made with Abraham was not to his believing children

It was to his children Right and it was from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob Jacob being called

Israel What is Israel? It was the it was initially that lineage that became a nation and there's some people that deny

That Israel is a nation today. That's how far they're going They want to just deny.

Oh Israel doesn't exist I had one person online who made the argument that there's no good reason

There's no reason we should be defending Israel and I said, how about justice? God is just they were

Unfairly attacked and and it wasn't a military attack because they went after they went after civilians and and folks

Especially on the left. You don't want to make this point. Where did they attack? They attacked in Tel Aviv one of the most liberal cities in Israel At a rave where there would be a whole bunch of drugs and and homosexuality and they

The people that did the attacking said they were doing it for those reasons So they went after civilians.

So this was this was Not just war They went after it for all the liberals who are defending

Gaza I think I just I think all these Americans who are here the leftists who are Supporting Gaza if they really want to make a difference go there see how long you last

Because they would kill them quicker than the then those in Israel over their views because it's you know, and so You have people have gone so far in their arguments and I It's unnecessary

The fact that there is a nation of Israel today does not deny covenant theology

No Or at least it shouldn't but in the minds of some they cannot handle that God would bring

Israel back into focus and Maybe I'll upset folks

Could it be that Trump? Donald Trump all the the the

Christians. Well, at least the dispensational Christians now covenant theologians don't like him Could it be that he's gonna bring about the

Antichrist? I mean, he could he be the one that brings peace to Israel Just But you know, it's interesting that you know,

I have been seeing so many attacks on dispensationalists online for bringing up Israel as and They're the view of dispensationalism and premillennialism.

Everyone's all these different things. I do not see Dispensationalists talking about Israel. I see covenant theologians attacking dispensationalists for talking about Israel and I'm going

Where are all these posts that you're all referring to because I'm not seeing it now granted maybe I'm not on enough, but I Have a lot more dispensational friends than non dispensational friends, and I don't see them posting it

I just see all the non dispensationalist folks Attacking us saying we are Yeah, well to go to that too.

I know that you said that it was more of a theological issue but Honestly, I and I think that's true but Honestly, I think there's a little more to it and I think it's a little more personal than what a lot of these covenantal brothers

Would want us to believe especially if when you get further and Further into the more extreme way of talking that some of these guys have and you know, there's there's obviously also a

Covenantal libertarian mix to it. I'd even throw that out there, too They take it personal they take it personal that Israel exists that our country supports them and that we

Give them aid that we work that our military works closely together with their military

And if you go far enough, there is this bizarre

Theory or conspiracy theory that Israel is part of this secret cabal to control the world and it's a

Jewish cabal used to control the world and Take over the world and stay in in power

Basically, which is interesting because I think Adolf Hitler had some pretty similar sentiments

But let's follow that for a minute some of these guys Not all of them, but some of them even deny the

Holocaust They'll deny the Holocaust. They will deny that Hitler was in the wrong bill

Deny that is I have I have talked with some of these individuals who will say that Hitler even had a point

So there's this growing rhetoric of anti -semitism Coming from that Particular persuasion.

I don't think it's sourced out of it. I'm not sure where the source comes from Maybe you have some ideas regarding that But definitely this weird anti -semitic flavor of theology

And I don't even know if that's the right way to put it. It's Marxian working its way in It's Marxist thinking and and very people who hear me say that are going there's no way

I'm Marxist You are you're practicing Marxism. You're dividing a group of people and and their argument

The reason is because well the the Jews are they have a lot of money they control things Do you know why

Jewish people raise their kids to be doctors lawyers people of influence to positions where you make money?

Because their theory is that they make the money and I totally disagree with this But this is why so many Jewish peels support

Democrats The thinking is is if they support the party that would be willing to be the ones that were willing to kill them

They won't kill them because they need the money That doesn't quite work Right, but but the idea is that really at the heart of it many

Jewish families just like Asian families are very family oriented and so when you have a

Majority of people that aren't family oriented it affects How you know those children are gonna be well how well balanced they're gonna be how they're gonna be producing

For their family as they grow things like that. So a lot of it is the family and and they don't see the core

Differences. It's also the fact that The Jewish people are being identified separate from every other group right, so it's just everyone else in America and then the

Jewish people and it's it's a thing where I Find interesting because they don't call this out with the

Muslims who actually are looking to do exactly that Go to Dearborn, Michigan. They've taken over a town.

They they have their their call to worship playing right in in Europe yet the

UK the governor the mayor of the London the biggest city in the

UK. I Just read a report that he outlawed that the the bells and churches being chimed

Because Muslims find it offensive while they're playing their call to worship first thing in the morning waking people up and it's like wait

That country actually has a state religion Anglicanism, which is the church.

So the the state church can't play their bells to not offend Muslims, but Muslims can play their call to worship and And somehow no one's supposed to be offended it's right it's bizarre it is so bizarre it it it is beyond me how

That can happen it's like So open -minded that you have surgically removed your brain from your head and left it out of there happens because Then this is why

I say it's Marxism they want something that someone else has In the case of money that a lot of people don't like Jewish people because oh they have money

So it must be you know, I want and that's what a lot of the Marxism is, you know Everything's unfair because someone else has something.

I don't have and I should have it. I shouldn't have to work for it They should just they should just give it

I think theologically as as you see in Dale's title of his book They want to be

That Covenant special people that God had in the Old Testament and If God does something in the future with Israel, I think for a lot of them

They think well then that means I wouldn't be God's special people. No, God has been really clear

He was dealing with Israel Israel right now is under God's judgment because he's working through Gentiles and So yeah, he's still working in Israel in a judgment way

Because of their idolatry and their sin and their rejection of the

Messiah and He's still working with him. But the fact that he's got a future plan for them for some it's like oh

Well, that means that covenant theology isn't well, I would disagree with covenant theology in the way they come about the interpretations and this is why because what ends up happening is you're you're interpreting scripture through a

Covenant lens rather than interpreting the different genres of literature the way the rules are laid out for them and that's why

I'd be a dispensationalist because I I Follow the rules of language What they will say as well.

The Bible is a spiritual book. So it has to be interpreted in a spiritual way My challenge with that is always well, how do you get to decide?

What is the spiritual way and what is not because when you go to the Mormons you go to the job what you go to any

Group, they do the same thing. How can you say there? Well, how do you say? Roman Catholicism is wrong with their style of interpretation, which is where the

Reformers got it from That's why I don't think it's right to call people that are in our camps

Covenant theologians because covenant theology is came out of Roman Catholicism what they hold is reformed theology because it reformed what the guy it got rid of the

Magisterium and the tradition and look just at the scriptures, but they kept that same hermeneutic where dispensationalism was to step back and say

Why don't we just be consistent with following the rules of language? God gave us language for a reason

There's rules for language and we follow that now does it fit perfectly? No It doesn't because there's times where God in his infinite wisdom.

He has dual meanings for things He could say out of Israel. I call my son Referring in the

Old Testament to the nation of Israel, but in the New Testament referring to Christ Now the difference there is

I can say, okay, you know when I I'm gonna see that spiritual ization or the dual meaning When I see it in the

Bible Right and I I wanted to speak to that point on dispensationalism just to kind of clear things up a little bit because The automatic belief is if you support

Israel, you are a dispensationalist and I'm not sure Where you fall in this

Andrew, I don't know if you're pre trib mid trib post trib I know that you forgot one

What I forget Pro trip if there's a road trip, you know for it to kind of like I'm pro millennial if there's a millennium all for it pan trip

Pam is it all gonna work out in the end? No You know, it's gonna work out for some people

For God's glory one way or the other so Yeah, so you are for a pan trip then no hands out

I'm pro Premillennial pre tribulation for folks Okay, so that's where you'd fall is the pre trib sort of It's not an area that I out of all the theological areas.

I teach on I really don't focus a lot on end times I think that I Personally believe that yes there's a lot of scripture that points to the second coming of Christ to all of these end times things and I think that there is so much confusion debate

Discussion because it's not as clear as everyone wants to pretend it is and that's why the first coming was missed by the

Jewish people Because they were looking for what they saw in the second coming Yeah, and we have the advantage of hindsight there so we can go look that clearly was fulfilled

Yeah, because it happened 2 ,000 years ago, and we have it recorded in God's Word But they missed it and I think that when people are super super dogmatic.

I think it could be problems troublesome Yeah, so so often when people are talking about Dispensationalism they specifically mean

Pre -trip, which is which is why I wanted to clarify that with you Not always not only that it's more they think pre -millennial, right?

Well, yeah, let me just say one thing real quick Dispensationalism is not an end times

The theology. Okay. It's a hermeneutical on how you interpret the Bible, right? And when you're consistent with that hermeneutic you come to a pre -millennial view

So it's a byproduct of dispensationalism, but so many people if I say I'm dispensational they go

Oh, well, I don't agree pre -millennialism or I'm a male and it's like that's nice has nothing to do with it.

Everything is spiritual It's like saying I eat I eat fruit. Oh, I can't eat apples well, what

I was gonna say what I was gonna say to that is It's it's not there there's what they they think they're talking about and There's the issue at hand.

So people often think they're talking about those pre -trib

Pre -millennials pre -millennials now there is historic pre -millennial ism which in Historic pre -millennial ism.

You don't have to have the same conclusions as someone who believes in pre -trib

Now with that just just throw out there I am with you I Don't throw all my cards into the eschatological

The you know Category I'm really into soteriology.

I'm really into Christology. I'm really I love typology. I love it. I Don't get big into Eschatology, I love ecclesiology, but I don't get huge into Eschatology, but I kind of know where I fall into that.

I actually Don't know if you've heard of pre -wrath. I'm sure you have I'm more into the pre -wrath view and I think it kind of Synergizes pre -trib mid -trib and post -trib quite beautifully actually in such a way where you kind of make sense of all of that and then everyone can get along and you can delete some of these

Facebook groups online It's pre -trib. Oh, it's post -trib. No my

Jewish guy, by the way. Oh Interesting interesting Rosenthal. Oh, yes.

Yeah, and actually it was my dad who got me into the pre -wrath view

So pre -wrath is you're gonna face tribulation Christians already by the way

Christians already face tribulation. So you're gonna face tribulation But you won't face

God's wrath. So it kind of just Some of the

Christians in America call tribulation Is not really tribute that person won't friend me on Facebook.

That person won't talk to me. I'm I'm being persecuted What you need to do like lunch

Won't you be a Christian in in in a village in Nigeria where the Muslims were going house -to -house and murdering everyone.

Yeah That's what that's what real persecution is. That's tribulation. Yeah. Yeah So so I just wanted to clear that up so so Just for those who are listening

Dispensationalism is a hermeneutic. It is not an End -times view correct.

It's a hermeneutic that will lead to specific views about the end times for example the restoration of the of Israel as a nation

It will lead to that It will lead to in a lot of cases a belief in a pre -trib

Rapture, right? that's that's a fair comment to make and there are some other things that that will get wrapped into that and so with that I want to actually take note of an interesting interview that it that took place between Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz Ted Cruz he has obviously he grew up in a church that appears to have been a church that teaches from a dispensational mindset and He Went ahead and and he's like I'm taking on the view

That Israel is God's chosen people. The Jews are God's chosen people and The Bible says whoever blesses

Israel out. I will bless this is God speaking whoever curses them I will curse he takes that view

Tucker Carlson has a different view and There's just this very interesting

Conversation that takes place between the two of them. So Andrew and I we're gonna go through we're gonna kind of Talk through this

So we you know, there will be times where we'll pause the video, but I want to give kind of a cultural

Commentary on what you're seeing in this conversation because it's quite interesting I think what you're seeing between Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson in this clip that we're gonna watch is

Literally what's playing out in the church right now between the covenant side and the dispensational side so Tucker I believe is

Post -millennial I Want to believe both more brothers in Christ. I I don't know either personally and I think that when

I look at it You know just listening to the way

You know Ted Cruz talks he'll talk about religion, but I just Doesn't neither one of them talk like they really are a believer like right.

It's it's kind of it's me It just seems like they go to church. It's cultural it impacts the way they view things

It's different with like a Charlie Kirk who will go on a campus and preach the gospel, right?

I don't hear either these guys preaching the gospel They preach more Christianity in a cultural way in my opinion, but I don't know either of them personally

I actually agree with you very strongly. I I have no good reason based on What I have seen from both of them to believe that they are

Regenerate Christians, I have no good reason to believe that and I don't have a reason to deny it either.

Yeah so so It's more like okay These are two guys who are talking about an issue that has been very prevalent in the church today and I'm taking on some some very

It If I had a bingo card, I would have never had

Tucker Carlson talking about Dispensationalism on on a bingo card for 2025

Anyway, I'm gonna pull that video up we can get right into it.

Oh There we go We'll get right into it and I'll just tell you when to pause because I think it's coming from your end

Go ahead and press play let's get into a ran momentarily, but but You suggested it was a strange thing that I said a minute ago that when

I came into the Senate I resolved that I was gonna be the leading defender of Israel and what you didn't ask is why so let me tell you why

No, you said I was obsessed with Israel and you had just told me that like you're driving Motives to get to the

Senate was to defend Israel Words matter

Uh -huh Can you press pause real quick that's interesting that he said words matter because you were just talking about that Yeah words matter but and just before we go any further

I am Frustrated by Tucker Carlson in this particular clip.

He's just very bellicose The laughing Ted Cruz off and by the way,

Ted Cruz wasn't all that impressive either But I'm just saying it I may have somewhat of a negative bent toward Ted Cruz or not

Ted Cruz But a Tucker Carlson as we as we go just because I don't know something has changed in him.

I Find that you know Whenever he is being pushed back on he just he just laughs

In this bellicose way as if somehow that makes his position stronger. I don't know

But it's just it's actually it's kind of annoying so I'm sorry if you share that same perspective, but This is an interesting video to get into nonetheless

You want to go ahead and press and for the record? I have not watched this. Okay. I've seen

I've heard some clips on different talk shows I've Listened to Ted Cruz's podcast.

So I heard his his view of how this went. I actually have yet to watch

This this I mean you said you wanted it. We downloaded it so we could play it and the first I'm actually watching it.

So to get live reaction, but What you said, I I do want to say that there is the possibility look

Tucker Carlson is in media okay, and so Some of the clips

I heard I wonder if he was saying the things he said for the sake of cessationism to Get the media attention me there from what

I understand from Ted Cruz There was a period where he's like we shouldn't bomb Iraq shouldn't bomb

Iraq shouldn't bomb Iraq and then you know, Ted Ted Cruz ends up saying well, you know

They were threatening our president and he's like well then we should bomb them It was like if I haven't watched it, but if he did that much of a flip that becomes very interesting.

Yeah agreed So here we go. We'll play Leading defender of Israel and you said you're driving motive the reason you're in the

Senate You want a leading defender of Israel? I would think if I ran for Senate I'd be like there are people dying of drug addicts on the street my driving motive is to fight for Texas and America and to fight for jobs and to fight for the

Constitution and and you played a very very careful word game of a lie the one who said it

Oh, not me. So you still haven't asked why but I'm gonna tell you why Okay, and the reason is twofold number one as a

Christian Growing up in Sunday school I was taught from the Bible those who bless

Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed and From my perspective.

I want to be on the blessing side of thing Those who bless the government of Israel those who bless Israel is what it says

It doesn't say the government of it says the nation of Israel. This is a good one deposit Bible as a Christian so that is a very important point to bring up here because What that that question that Tucker asks if you bless the government of Israel the question comes if I support

Israel am I supporting the government of Israel or should there even be a distinction there's kind of a theological wordplay that takes place here and Andrew I was just wondering is there anything that you

Would like to add to that because I'm sure that you've run into this particular thing oh if oh so if I don't bless the government of Israel and I'm not a

Christian or And in really another question is is Ted Cruz even using that verse correctly,

I think he's using a verse from some verses from Genesis and Yeah, I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on that.

Yeah, I think that And I've heard this clip a couple times this is the big one that people were playing and I think where it gets interesting is and I find it interesting that Neither of them knew what the passage was

Now I do I will admit From what I heard in the clips Tucker Carlson is gonna give Ted Cruz a hard time for not knowing where the passage is

But he didn't know where it was either Right, so don't give someone a hard time or like I and that's where I go

I think look both of them are good at debating and there's some debate tactics going on Okay, Ted Cruz saying well as a

Christian, he knows Tucker claims to be a Christian So he's it's it that's a the whether he's doing it as a debate tactic.

I don't know but it's like hey You should be agreeing with me on this The the issue is is how in the

Old Testament is that well it's in the context of all these countries tribes

Nations around Israel and the idea that you know

God was going to very clearly as demonstrated in Beck book of Exodus numbers that those who were gonna come up against Israel no, they didn't do too well because God was gonna fight for Israel as a nation and We see that historically a great example that is numbers 22 to 25

And that's what the the account of Balaam now most people know Balaam because of talking donkey, okay but Balaam Was a

Gentile who was a prophet for God? He goes and and Balak wants him to curse

Israel as they're coming into the land and he just can't do it, but he wanted the money That they that was being offered and so what he does is and this is numbers 25 but it's we don't see numbers 25 attributed to Balaam until later in the scriptures and so what you have there is

Balaam wants the money he Figures the only he knows God will not curse

Israel So, what does he do he counsels Balak the king to say hey take some of your women give them to the men and God Will curse

Israel Right. He knew God would bring that judgment But he didn't want to be the one because he wanted the money that Balak had offered

Right and yet he wants to be spiritual and not go against God. So it's like he tries to find a way he can have both and And That's I think what it's referring to is the fact that if you're gonna come up against Israel while God is defending them

You're gonna lose Right, but when God is judging them. I mean look what was what was

Nebuchadnezzar he was God's judgment on Israel. What was a Syria God's judgment on Israel and God would use other

Nations who are not looking to bless Israel, but they were looking they not they weren't looking to do it but God was using him this way to be an act of judgment on his his right arm of justice against the nation of Israel and the purpose of both of those were very clear in scripture to basically knock out the idolatry that Israel had and to date

Israel as a ethnicity Judaism You know as a nation doesn't have where they chase after the gods of the neighbors around them that captivity did cure them of that as God said it would and So I think that I don't know that I agree with Ted Cruz's interpretation of that But it doesn't mean that Israel isn't

If God's gonna do some with Israel in the future, then he's going to work with them, right? And that's the question really that I think needs to be asked

Yeah, that's great. Thank you. We can go ahead and continue here See what else Ted Cruz has to say.

I believe that where is that? I can find it to you I don't have the the scripture off what you were talking about pull out the phone and use it's in Genesis, but so you're quoting a

Bible phrase you don't have context for it. You don't know where in the Bible it is, but that's like for theology. I'm confused What does that even mean?

Tucker I'm a Christian. I want to know what you're talking about Where does where does my support for Israel come from number one?

Because biblically we are commanded to support Israel, but number two You're a senator and now you're throwing out theology and I am a

Christian I am allowed to weigh in on this We are commanded as Christians support the government of Israel. We are commanded to support

Israel and we're what does that mean? So that that was

You know Ted For Ted, I I don't think he was as prepared for that particular part of the conversation

It's funny because he's the one that brought it up like is right. He he's in this way.

He's bringing up this argument Yeah, and I don't think it's in numbers by the way just for the record

Yeah, because there's only two times it talks about blessing is that where you see bless and Israel together in Genesis, um, did

I say numbers? I said I meant Genesis. Yeah Genesis 48 20 which says and he blessed them

That day saying by you Israel will pronounce blessing saying may

God Make you like Ephraim and Manasseh thus he put

Ephraim before Manasseh. That's Joseph blessing or Jacob blessing the sons of of Joseph The other is

Genesis 49 28 which just says all these are the twelve tribes of Israel And this is what the father spoke to them

So he blessed them. He blesses them and And everyone with the blessing appropriate to them there's no command there in Genesis Right bless

Israel Yeah, and in this is why maybe Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson should stick to just talking about the political stuff theology to people who really know what they're talking about because because like and I found it interesting so so Ted Cruz He's talking about well the

Bible commands for us to support Israel, which There is no

Direct Comment in Scripture or command in Scripture that says you must support

Israel it's a multitude of verses where you know people who have this perspective they

They come to that perspective based on that multitude of verses that so A little further digging and so maybe this is what they're he's referring to okay, and this is

Genesis 12 verse 3 and I will bless those who bless you and The one whom curses you

I will curse and in you all families of the earth will be blessed That is specifically speaking to Jacob Or sorry to Abram not

Jacob. So, you know if if he's gonna say this is a command it's a command to Abraham and and I think then he gets into a problematic thing if he's gonna try to say that only because Then what you have is the

Muslim nations would have to be blessed as well because they're from the lineage of Abraham Yeah, right

So true, you know, I I don't know that this is I Mean, this is to Abraham not

Israel. And so if he's speaking of this one And I don't know, you know, that's the only one

I could find in Genesis that could apply to it yeah, and If if this is what's there there are so many conclusions being drawn from that one text

Based on what they're talking about here Because you have you have Ted Cruz saying okay. Well this this verse means that I have to support

Israel and Tucker says, you know, well, I don't see that and You have competing not just Theologies here, but you have competing ideologies here because that comment that Tucker made well, it was really a question

Oh, so the Bible tells us we're supposed to support the government of Israel that comes from that's a very libertarian

Argument the Bible doesn't tell me to support the government of Israel I have seen that come up often in these kind of conversations particularly with those who come from a more libertarian perspective who are skeptical of all governments including the

Israeli government and so and so you see a little bit of Tucker Carlson's libertarian side coming out in that response as well.

So it's kind of interesting. You're you're not just seeing a Theology Versus a theology you're seeing also a political ideology mixed in with it as well.

I agree with you there I think that this is somewhat of a mixing of I don't

I don't look at either of these two men as great theologians No Politics maybe not here.

Yeah Yeah, we go ahead. Yeah, that's what hold on define Israel. This is important. Are you kidding?

I this this majority Christian country define Israel could do do you not know what Israel is? Hey, that would be the country you've asked like 49 questions about so that's what

Genesis roof That's what God is talking in the nation of Israel. Yes, and he's soon Is that the current borders the current leadership?

He's time with a political entity called Israel He's talking about the nation of Israel yet nations exists and he's discussing a nation a nation was the people of Israel is the nation

Genesis is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu, right? Yes. Yes, it is And by the way, it's run by Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator.

It's it's a Just just like you know

America is the country run by Donald Trump not to the American people elected Donald Trump the same I'm talking about the political entity of modern

Israel. Yes, and that is you believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis I do but but that country's existed since when

For thousands of years now, there was a time when it didn't exist and that was recreated just over seven. I'm saying, okay

I could pause there real quick. Yes. Oh There's so much loaded into that You have

Ted Cruz He's saying, you know, I support Israel I support in and then you have

Tucker Carlson Who is breaking down is he's like, okay, so define

Israel. What is Israel? Is it the borders? Is it the nation?

Is it the government? What is it and I don't see the point where Tucker is going?

With this and I'd like to hear your feedback on it because I don't think it's necessary to Split Israel up based on borders based on the government and based on the people there there is a general idea that Israel is the nation that Covenantally came

From Abraham and Ted Cruz is going to poorly Try to explain that as we go further, but the idea is that in these last days

Israel was brought back together Through the providence of God and now here we are

But I want to get more of your feedback on that and you can correct me if I'm wrong on anything You know

This is the heart of the issue of where you started the program with with what we're seeing in Christianity It is this question of what is

Israel? Okay, the Israel spoken of in the scripture, right?

We if if they're referring to Genesis, then we're we should be talking about Abraham not

Israel Yeah So, I I'm not exactly sure the the passage that they're both thinking it is they're speaking of a generality and It's it's always good with scriptures talk specifics, but what is what is a nation right so so Israel Was a changing of a name for Jacob, right?

God changes his name He's and says Abra it tells Abraham that through his children

He will he's going to be a great nation and and that's why even though Jacob is the one that's called

Israel and it's his children They'll go back to Abraham and yet Abraham fathered many nations okay, but That gets into question.

What is a nation? This becomes really interesting as we talk about the 12 -day war but even further into Gaza and Palestine Palestinians Palestine People will talk that oh well

Israel is occupying the Palestinian land That land has been called

Palestine since the Roman Empire as a derogatory term in in you know in the first century it was referred to Palestine because the the

Philistines were the ones who are always kind of a thorn in the side to Israel and so the

Romans called it Palestine as an insult to the Jewish people at the time and so what you end up seeing is that before 1948 and this this may shock some people but Every Jewish person that lived in that land prior to 1948 was called

Palestinians There is no Palestinian language, there's no Palestinian culture, there's no

Palestinian money the There wasn't that because it was never a nation.

It was after Rome That there was fighting the Turks took it over.

Then there was a World War one and the United Kingdom Took it over.

They want they took that by warfare and then in 1948 They decided the those who owned it so if it was occupied by anybody it was the

United Kingdom Not Israel and they occupied it for 30 years

Before they established the nation of Israel, but even though Jewish people were spread all over the world

There still was a common language There was a common culture

There you would be All of the elements so even though they were dispersed because of the

Let's call what it is the legalism that they went through in that period. I mentioned earlier of that captivity

Yes, they were cured of Idolatry, but they ended up replacing with a man -made religion of Judaism.

That is all works based and legalistic, but that legalism

Kept them in their culture keeping that culture alive

Even when they're in captivity even for 2 ,000 years Or almost 2 ,000 years.

Yeah, so there were a people and It was passed down generation to generation

So we talk what is a nation it is you know, it was yes, it was reformed by the

United Kingdom, but it is the group of people that have the Not just not only limited to those who have the heredity hereditary descendants of Abraham or more specifically

Jacob but it is it's it's those who have that culture have that that are part of that that came back and Informed it now is the

Israel in the scriptures the same Israel that's in the country today

And that's really the heart of this and I think that's where Tucker is trying to go with it and I I think

You know, I really wish that You know Ted Cruz didn't bring this whole issue up because he didn't do well in this

I mean I think there's other areas that have other clips. I think he did well in but this one I think And it's just he brought it up, which is even worse

Make this case and I think he thought Tucker was going to agree with him because I think he

Has been in Christian circles where everybody agrees with him on this view and he hasn't really

Argued other theological positions and you can see that because when he's arguing for Israel, what is he doing?

He's addressing that Netanyahu is not a dictator, which Tucker never made that claim. Okay But why is he doing that well, he's doing that because there are plenty of people

Liberals who are are making that claim Yeah, okay, and just like they make the claim with Trump and if people deny that well

We just had on no King's protest that they thought was gonna last all summer When people started getting arrested they suddenly stopped right and when their money was being when they come when the government was going after the company's supplying all the

Bricks and everything and it you know, well, let's stop so so Horace yeah, he's he'll try again.

Trust me. What you have is Ted Cruz was ready to argue the political arguments against Israel He wasn't ready to argue the theological

No And I think what Tucker is doing here trying to get to the question what what really is

Israel? Is it the same and I Think in in one sense. Yes, and in one sense.

No, okay It is the same that there are a descendants from from Jacob the twelve tribes that have reestablished themselves that kept that culture

Have have kept the language all of that and I think they are in that sense

Yes, is it in the sense that they're God's chosen people like in the Old Testament?

I have a harder time with that and I did an episode of my apologetics live podcast where both my co -hosts disagree with me and we talked about Israel and what is

Israel and am I in discussing and I purposely did not Talk beforehand with with the the co -hosts because I thought if I explain through things what did happen would happen which is there was a lot more agreement than disagreement and I think that right now the

Israel which is not just the people in in the land but Jewish people around the world are they

God's chosen people right now. They're under God's judgment so in a

Redemptive way. No there there may be some like myself the remnant that gets saved and we would be

God's Chosen people in this time period but I don't think that Israel the nation is the same in the same covenant relationship as They would have been in the time that they were established and coming into the land

I I but I do think that God will bring them back into that relationship in the future

Yes, and that's what we would disagree and that's where I say I don't think the Covenant theologians have it should have an issue with Israel the issue the issue they really have is

Is God going to bring Israel back into? the center of his plan and I think that I think for so many let me at least put it this way

Adam you've you and I talked about this and our differences with You know the charismatic gifts when

I talk about charismatic gifts. There's so many charismatics that they wrap Everything into their experience and when

I say that I don't think the gifts continue the challenge I so often get is are you saying

I'm not a Christian? Because they've intertwined Their experience of those gifts with their

Christianity Okay, I Think what you have here on in the video you wanted to play is a great example because I think

Ted Cruz has Has to entwined his support for Israel into his theology and I think

Tucker represents those who have Have so broken that they can't see

God having a future for Israel And I think that's a lot of what you see online is people that if you say that there's gonna be a future for Israel You're questioning their whole theology.

You're questioning their salvation. They've to intertwined it and I think that is the issue.

I think there's continuity and discontinuity between Israel and the church by the way for those who didn't deny that for any covenant theologians who say no we are the true

Israel my argument there would be do you keep kosher as Commanded in Scripture and they're gonna go.

Oh, well that was done away with Christ That's not what Scripture says the the sacrificial system.

Yes, but keeping kosher No, that's to keep you holy to keep you separate from the world unless you think you don't need to be holy anymore

That's why in Judaism. It's called holiness laws not some law of ceremonial law that didn't come about to the

Reformers and so The other thing is do you keep the Passover which Israel was commanded to keep forever and so if you're not doing that, then you're either breaking a commandment from God or You really don't believe you're

Israel. You believe there's some discontinuity between you and Israel, right?

It's just how much continuity and discontinuity, right? That's the struggle what is fulfilled

What isn't and and let me say this with the true Israel because I don't know if I I've been on your show before But I don't know if I shared this and I I this

Helps me and it seems to help a lot of other people understand this When we talk about true

Israel and the nation of Israel what people are doing is saying Well, not not all

Israel is Israel the what where because Paul says that that's Scripture and they say well the real Israel is the church what what they're doing here is

What you had in the Middle Ages was an argument being formed Oh, what is the church when when the church was a national religion in the

Roman Empire and everyone had to go to church And in fact you you you're you didn't have a birth certificate.

Your name was written in the family Bible, right? Your baptism certificate is what? Kind of was your birth certificate so the nation and the religion were intertwined and so what they ended up referring to was visible and invisible

Israel, okay, or local and Universal sorry not

Israel the church So the local visible church is that place where everyone gathers believers and unbelievers on a weekly basis for the worship of God?

But it's made up of believers and unbelievers we don't know who the believers are or the unbelievers like we said, we don't know if Tucker and and I Said Cruz are believers.

We can't tell God can tell right? They come to church We assume they're the church, right?

so the they were making a distinction between that and the True church the universal invisible church that church has made up only of believers everywhere in the world

Now we make that distinction with the church What the Covenant theologians need to do is make that same distinction with the nation of Israel because it applies one -to -one

There's a nation of Israel the visible local nation that is made up of believers and unbelievers

Now it's not that they're going to a building for worship. It's that they're they're born from a lineage and then there's these spiritual

Israel or the universal invisible Israel that's made up of those who are believing everywhere

Yeah, you see now we can find some continuity in the spiritual Israel spiritual church okay, and in that sense

I can agree I That's where I don't see it as this complete disjointed thing of Israel in church

But we have to do apples to apples what you often hear them do is people will take that quote from Paul Not all

Israel's Israel and they focus on spiritual Israel Rather than the national

Israel and they start applying spiritual Israel to things that were national Hmm, and they start those where they want to have that distinction when it comes to the church

If you want that distinction for the church do the same thing with with the nation of Israel Hmm.

Yeah. Yeah, I think we can continue and I think we're gonna get this last bit of Ted Cruz and Tucker and then

I do want to talk about a post I did recently on My bold apology a podcast

Facebook page and just kind of go through some of the comments here But I want to check out this last bit with Tucker people understand that line in Genesis to refer to The Jewish people

God's chosen people. That's not what it says. Okay Israel but you don't even know where in the

Bible it is So, I don't know. I don't remember the scriptural citation, but okay,

I keep 16 or something like that. But yes, it's in the earlier part of the book. But the point is

Important to know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're saying It's a Christian if I don't believe in Jesus, I have to support the modern state of Israel.

I'm not saying that you I'm explaining for me what my vote motivation is, but you okay, so I'm just trying to understand you said

God tells you to support the modern state of Israel in the Bible in some place in the Bible that you heard about but You don't know where it is

That's your theology. You're going back. Am I a sleazy feline again? I mean if you don't Again, I will say that but I don't think you will try to be a little less condescending.

I'm trying to You're throwing this stuff out and it's my job to figure out what you're talking about, but I don't understand you're not letting me

Okay, I'm sorry. I want to be polite. Let me just pause it say this at this point like let's see this They're both guilty of this

Right. I mean as an interviewer Tucker should let him Finish his point. Yeah, he's got a valid point.

He's saying hey, I'm interjecting because I want to understand and That's I think that's legitimate, too

It'll be easier to understand if you let him complete a full thought as well You don't even reminds me of who is so there was a there was an interview a number of years ago

Between Jordan Peterson and they and a woman Kathy Newman Tucker Carlson is the conservative

Kathy Newman you can quote me on that just cutting him off left and right And I will say this

I would not put Ted Cruz and Jordan Peterson on the same kind of Intellectual totem pole by any means but just just making the point

He's cutting Tucker or Tucker is cutting Ted Cruz off quite a bit. Yeah, and Ted isn't a very good debater.

I mean he's well he is I mean, yeah. Yeah, you're sorry. Yes Yeah, he's a good debater and you know when people do debates especially when you're trained in in high school college doing on debate class like he was there's debate tactics and Some of it good some of it.

I mean he's calling he's calling Tucker out for the interruptions. I think that's fair Tucker's doing debate tactics as well possibly in in the as you point out the laughing that because I think

Tucker is trying to seize on what Ted is saying without having to actually engage with it

Because I think he's not so comfortable with this either Mm -hmm. Okay, and I think he's just trying to move on and Gets it to an area where I think personally me.

I think he wants to get to an area He knows better, but I'll keep playing now That makes what you might have had wanted

That is for me a personal motivation But I also what I was about to say, I don't believe my personal faith not everyone who

I represent as a Christian It's not an argument for me to give that that we should do this because of my faith and so as an elected official

I don't give that as the reason we should support Israel That is a personal motivation for me But but I don't think it is the reason we should the reason that I am the leading defender of Israel is because Israel is our strongest ally in the

Middle East an incredibly troubled part of the world and supporting Israel benefits America and The clearest illustration of that is what is happening right now

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Church go to striving for eternity dot org striving to make today an eternal day for the glory of God You know, let me just make this point.

Okay, then I'll just ask what you mean? That's it. Yeah, look Iran I think the most acute national security threat facing

America right now is The threat of a nuclear Iran. I think China is the biggest long -term threat, but acute and near -term is a nuclear

Iran Okay, and I think Israel is doing a massive favor to America right now

By trying to take out Iran's nuclear capacity and the reason I view

Iran differently we talked before about Iraq I opposed the Iraq war we talked about Syria I opposed military intervention in Syria.

The reason for that is those did not pose a threat to the United States I think Iran is markedly different number one.

The ayatollah is a religious zealot zealot He is a lunatic but but a particularly dangerous kind of lunatic because he's driven by religious fervor

When he says death to America and death to Israel I believe him and I think

Iran is trying to get a nuclear weapon because there there is a very real possibility They would use a nuclear weapon

So you want to ask how does supporting Israel benefit us right now? this tiny little country the size of the state of New Jersey is

Fighting our enemies for us and and taking out their top military leadership and and trying to take out their nuclear capacity

That makes America much safer Yeah, so I Wanted to get to that point.

We don't we actually don't need to go any further with this particular video because this is where I want to talk and reflect on the 12 -day war together there is a post

I had made I was baffled at the amount of And I'm using this rhetorically the the hate that Israel got over this or the negative feedback

Israel got over Attacking Iran. Oh, you're attacking a non -aggressor

Which is a lie, by the way, because Iran has been attacking Israel for years

Through proxies. In fact, that's what happened. October 7th was it was

Iranian Iranian proxies that Iran funds that attacked

Israel In Hamas It's between 65 to 85 percent of their budget comes from Iran.

Yeah, and and so this this 12 -day war Basically Israel from what

I understand they wanted to go in and take out Iran's nuclear Abilities or capabilities much sooner, but President Trump said no, let's wait 60 days on day 61

That is when Israel attacked and and why was there a waiting of 60 days

Trump wanted to discuss peace do you want to see if we'd come to a you know, a a

Resolution here where Iran puts aside its nuclear program and we all get to the table and negotiate peace

Iran did not want that Iran has repeatedly stated its intentions to destroy

Israel to destroy America Repeatedly and now this crazy and I agree with Ted on this this crazy man the

Ayatollah Khomeini Ayatollah Khomeini is closer than ever to a nuclear weapon and People will have their issues with that comment.

Oh, what do you mean close? They've been saying this for the last 20 years or whatever. Okay, whatever they they are at a place where Israeli intelligence felt threatened enough to where they were ready to go in and attack and Enter into this war now.

Here's the thing Ted Cruz said something interesting Israel is the size of The state of New Jersey, if not, maybe smaller.

I don't know I'm size of the country known as New Jersey. Yeah, so it's about the same size and this little country is gonna go attack a much larger country that has 92 million people in it

So they're they're now Does Israel have better technology? Yes, and they absolutely spank

Iran Absolutely, but they obviously had a motivation behind what they were doing.

Let's just say that now Let me bring all this together Trump said give me 60 days

Israel came in on day 61 did what they did because they were Legitimately threatened by Iran Iran had already been attacking them through proxies.

This is a known fact and They the is the Israelis had every right

To go in and do what they felt was best for their country Especially with a country who has attacked them before and so I just want to get that off my chest

Is there anything you'd like to talk about before I pull up this post that I did recently?

Yeah, there's a bunch there So, okay. So first off To the argument that you made people will say well they've been doing at this for 20 years

Okay, so they wanted to get nukes Barack Obama helped them along gave them lots of money

Just like Bill Clinton did for North Korea I don't know why it is the Democrats want to fund our enemies and help them

It's like they feel like oh, well if there have nukes like we do we'll all get along Has that worked ever?

No They have been at it for a long time. So it's been going on. Why don't they have the nukes today?

because of Israel see Israel actually they were close to getting getting the

Uranium enriched enough but Israel with their intelligence and they basically had hacked the computers and Overspun the

Centrifuges so that they all destroyed themselves. Okay, so Israel had had hacked them and Destroyed it and it took this long to rebuild it now if you're gonna say well, how do we know cuz truthfully?

Have you seen the the Intel no, I'm sure you haven't

But I could tell you this even if I haven't seen the latest Intel um

Their Intel seems to be pretty good that they know exactly where all the leaders are sleeping at night

That they could shoot missiles that you talk about precision. They went through people's bedrooms windows

To blow them up. They knew exactly where they were sleeping. That's pretty good

Intel Right guys that are running around trying to hide and they could do it all within an hour

Okay Their Intel is superb. And that's why I agree with what Ted said at the end there

I I wouldn't I'm saying this as someone who is is an Israelite who is a

Dispensationalist, I do not think the United States government should be supporting Israel for a religious reason

I think that would be a violation of our Constitution Okay. Now now people are gonna say. Oh, well, you should be a

Christian before American Well, the the law says first off I don't believe there's a command as Ted says that we have to bless

Israel and then we have to start interpreting what that means So I'd first have to get that verse because if it's the verse, you know

Tucker said Genesis 16. I read the one from Genesis 12 and that's talking about Abraham. I don't think it's a command

I think it's a generality for that a time that they were gonna go through 400 some years later and so I don't know if that if that applies to us today

Okay to bless Israel. So the the point there is I Don't think that there you can say that that's a command from God for us to do now

Someone correct me and tell me I'm wrong but if it's not a command then we go with a command Romans 13 that we follow the the law and the law of the

Land for America is the Constitution. And so we should not be defending Israel for that purpose.

However, as Ted Cruz said Israel is our best ally in a region where they want to in some areas want to blow us up We were attacked on you know,

September, you know, some of you may not even know this date, but you know, September 11th 2001 Some some may not even be old enough to have been born then

Oh Kindergarten, I think yeah Wow. Thanks But but the thing being is when you look at that Here you have a country that's an ally of ours

That has defended us there and helped us there and we've always put restrictions on them

They go to these countries that attack them and they start fighting back and because Israel has such precision and force when they when they go to war

Everyone jumps at ceasefire ceasefire ceasefire because they start wiping people out quickly That's why they had a six -day war.

This is referred to as the 12 -day war. It was 12 days for Israel America got involved. There was a one -day war.

I mean so people now There's all the debate of whether we really did any damage there look ever since Barack Obama.

They have been delayed delayed delayed delay Trump basically said to Israel finish the job

Yeah, okay And then they go after I ran to finish the job and what happens we get involved because there's the the the areas are under I mean, like I don't know if you understand us

But the guys who built these weapons have been working on it for 15 years Specifically for this one purpose, which is incredible.

Yeah 15 years of Development and like this is what they've done day in and day out for 15 years was developed

You see the simulation of the missile entering It was believe it was a simulation of how the missile enters.

It doesn't leave a crater Yeah, it just it goes into the earth and and then it like digs through the earth.

Yeah Looking at the pictures going. Oh, it doesn't look like anything happened And and yeah, it wouldn't because the way it was designed

But the thing is you you look at that and all of a sudden why do I think there was a ton of damage?

because the next day What do they do? I I ran Calls the

United States to let them know where they're gonna send some missiles You don't do that in warfare. You do that when you want to say hey, we need to talk tough and and talk tough

We gotta say face and show so we're gonna warn you you know and Israel and why was

Trump so upset Israel knew that it that those were coming and then we're good and Went sending in missiles of their own and Air Force anyway, right?

And so it was like hey back off stop, right? And so the the thing is, what do you see the fact that I ran is calling for a ceasefire

That's the evidence. You know that we wiped them out. Yes, they wouldn't do that Otherwise they do what they've done with every other president

You know in the report that they the the media was gushing. Oh, yes

We did we did nothing and you know, the the damages were minimal. Well, okay

And I like what secretary Hegseth say about that. It's based on lynchpin assumptions where If your assumption is wrong

Everything else is wrong, too. Yeah, so and it was an initial assessment and it there's low

Low low confidence in that assessment that was made. Let me let me let me answer this from my background so I actually have a background of Developing Intel that does go that did go to You know

PBDs, that would be a president daily briefing. Okay, so I've I've gathered Intel that has gone to both

President George W Bush and Barack Obama, okay When you first have an incident happen, there's a ton of Intel you you're going through lots of it and They so there's basically they're gonna put markers on it.

You know, is this you have a strong confidence weak confidence? There's gonna be different things this Intel and has have brought this up the fact that it says there's low confidence in it

Why because there is as you mentioned hinge pins in that case, it's like well if this isn't true

The whole thing is false, but there were like a dozen of them in this case So like any of these things

That that if any of these different things are not true. The whole thing is false That's why it's low confidence

That's but it's just hey looking just at this one thing and what they're doing when they do this is you look at one thing because you're what you're trying to do is evaluate it from every angle and Because you don't want to miss anything

Okay, and so what you're doing is you get the Intel you're trying to so what they're having a limited

Intel Just looking at the the pictures and as you you mentioned these bombs are not gonna leave a crater

So just looking at the the pictures are going well, we don't see the crater so wouldn't be you know here be all these reasons

Right. They're ignoring the fact that Israel who has had really good Intel.

I mean enough that they know where everyone's sleeping The fact that I ran came out a day later after this supposed

Intel and said we were heavily damaged That's no longer saving face

Yeah, right Ignore all that because we hate Trump and and and that's the thing and this gets to the same thing we started with when when you have a

Just a blind hatred for Trump that you're gonna start supporting Iran It's the same thing as when you have a blind a blind view that Israel is that the church is the true

Israel That you ignore what's actually going on in the world and ignore the nation of Israel that exists today

Right, it's that same Blind mentality where you're so busy trying to defend and fight for something

That you can't even see what what's happening right in front of you. This is a good opportunity to throw a little bit of throw a little shade at the left here because The left is like oh how dare these evil

You know Israelis go and attack Iran Iran wasn't doing anything they were they had proxy they were always sending proxies out, but They weren't doing anything wrong, and it's like you're standing up for Iran who is sending the shit

Shaheed drones to Russia so Russia can Bomb the heck out of Ukraine who you also support like are you seeing the problem here?

Are you? They're not because they can't because they really do have

Trump derangement syndrome, it's it's insane. It is insane. You can't think straight because One man is involved.

It's just crazy funniest meme that I saw was someone that put a meme and it's a caricature of Trump and It's him rubbing his hands together going and just like that.

I can get the Liberals to defend Iran I I Mean it's it really is like look why why was everyone wearing masks?

During kovat because Trump wouldn't yeah, I mean that's really I mean people were sitting there when when

Trump suggested that people wear masks Everyone was saying he shouldn't vouch he was saying masks won't do anything

And then they asked them in and I still remember the interview they said you know to Trump Why don't you wear a mask and he's like well far enough away from everybody that I don't see the need for it and suddenly

Everyone even Fauci changes and everyone's got to wear a mask. Yeah, I Just wish

Trump would start like supporting, you know government school indoctrination Start supporting, you know abortion so because then the left will be all against it

And if you want proof of that, they're burning Tesla's Which they which they were all for at one point, oh, this is the future of vehicles we're gonna save the earth

Yeah, and now let's burn them all Yeah, and which which was far worse to the environment burning those batteries

It's just bizarre and crazy and I want to pull up this post here

I don't know if you can see it or not, but I'm just gonna go ahead Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and read here

This is what I said, and this was in response to some of the crazy stuff that not just liberals, but even libertarians in some

I would call them Conservatarians who are conservatives that have some very like Libertarian like views

I would maybe Wait, I mean, we're sorry Trump Elon Musk These guys

Joe Rogan, they're not conservatives they're libertarians. Yes, people don't realize that yeah

But here here's my Post here and I'm trying to make an analogy.

I said if Venezuela openly declared hatred for the

United States vowed to wipe us off the map Supported terrorist groups to attack us operated through hostile proxies and was driven by an ideology completely opposed to our values and on top of that Was close to fully developing a nuclear bomb

I would fully expect our government to take decisive action

That would include destroying their nuclear capabilities and neutralizing their military threat

Israel has every right to do the same with Iran full stop

The Iranian government is not a victim I don't know why this is so hard for people both on the right and the left to understand and boy did people

Let me have it for sure. I was just gonna say you got a lot of hatred from that I got so much just right off the bat

I've got a comment here from Maximilian Jackson. Sure, but leave

America out of it Oh and not to mention, but Israel has been saying Iran is close to a nuclear

To it. Well, and he it's kind of a spelling or a grammar area error here, but close to a nuclear bomb for decades now and We answered that right they were and it got destroyed and they started over And and so what happened you had

Obama funding it it got it gets destroyed Trump wasn't gonna refund it. So it took

Biden to refund it Right. He released all the money that that was that ended up being used for You know the

October 7th attack So when you say keep America out of it, I'd argue America was the cause of it that the attack on on Israel on October 7th was funded by Iran with money that was released to them from the

United States Yeah, so if they didn't release that money there would never have been an

October 7th attack So when you say keep America out of it, I wish America would have stayed out of it, right?

got another comment here from This profile is called Mike cuts lawns and he says from what

I see What's that I wonder what he does for a living he might be doing I'm pretty sure it's like lawn care

Yeah From what I see the issue isn't with a country acting in its best interests so Right off the bat he and I disagree completely

But he said it's with that country trying to drag other countries into it

Using your analogy, how should the people of Brazil react when the United States requests they help support the attacks on Venezuela by the

United States keep in mind the United States is in the middle of destroying Canada and Has also launched attacks on Panama Cuba and Mexico in the last two years

All of that is related to some of the issues related to October 7th So so he's trying to take

My analogy and Give a negative twist

Toward Israel and how Israel has responded to some of the issues taking place with October 7th

And things like that and I just want to read my response and let you react to this

But my response is basically You may have misunderstood the point I was making I'm not advocating for u .s.

Involvement in another war nor am I defending any broader military agenda? My comments were about Israel's right to defend itself against a regime that has openly

Vowed to destroy it funds proxy terrorism and is nearing nuclear capability

That's the issue I am addressing not whether the u .s. Should get involved your analogy breaks down for a few reasons first Israel is not currently destroying

Multiple neighboring countries it is taking out Targets within those countries who have actively attempted to harm its people

Targets of which those countries actively protect and help Furthermore Israel is not in the midst of some imperialist conquest

That part of your example is an exaggeration not grounded in reality second self -defense against an existent existential threat is

Not the same as a campaign of aggression Iran funds Hezbollah Hamas and other hostile forces

It has directly and indirectly attacked Israel for decades Israel responding to that is not the same as the u .s.

Inventing a war Against Venezuela while attacking half the continent lastly your

Brazil comparison fails because it never mentioned Because I never mentioned Coalition building or dragging other nations in my point was singular and specific if a country is faced with annihilation by a hostile ideologically extreme

Regime on the brink of going nuclear it has every moral and strategic right to strike preemptively

That's it And I asked them let's stay focused on what's actually happening and avoid building hypotheticals that distort

The situation my hypothetical was meant to make a point that is accurate to what's going on not

Meant to be a distortion, but what's some of your feedback to that? His original thing so I can

I can address some of his points because there's there's a couple things he has here one What he ignores is the fact that Israel and America are allies

Yeah, we didn't go to war. We never declared war like Israel did We were asked by a

Ally to use weapons that we had and they didn't No different than and I'm sure if he's gonna be consistent

He has been very upset with the billions of dollars that went to our Ukraine, right?

I doubt it we spent billions of dollars and Folks we sent troops without a declaration of war

Yeah, that's a violation the violation that the Democrats were all up in arms because we we sent missiles

Well, that's actually under the president's direction sending troops is not Biden put troops men on the ground in Ukraine.

Oh, they claim they were just training. Yeah, they were fighting and so the fact is is that they broke the law getting us involved the fact that there is a

Ukraine war is because Biden was like well Russia if you go this far, I won't do anything So they said well great.

We'll go in because you're not gonna do anything Maybe if he talked tough like Trump we there wouldn't be that one.

But you when you talk about Bring us into a war and nation -building. That's what we see in Ukraine And we see that in Ukraine because they had blackmail information on Biden, right?

and by the way, 10 billion of that money that we sent over there came back to support the 2022 elections, yeah

Crazy You know, we can kind of see what was really going on there and and yet there you don't hear the complaints about that and so what you have is a country that was an ally asking for for specific technical expertise that we had and they have

Been providing us with X with specific technical expertise in Intel that they have for years

Okay, so what you have is when it says acting, you know when they're acting in a nation building

We're not nation building. We just it was sent a couple bombs done over Okay, take out the targets bring them to their knees so that they would come to negotiate and that's what ended up happening now when he says keep in mind the

US is in the middle of destroying Canada and He's making the comparison. How are we destroying

Canada? We're destroying Canada by Saying that they have to be fair with their tariffs Are you tired of pillows that go flat or every couple of years you they smell bad and what are you gonna do with him?

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SFE So there they could take advantage of the tariffs that we have to pay them

But they they don't want to reciprocate in the tariffs. That's not the same as Going to a rave and killing people taking them hostage

Taking their babies and sticking them in ovens and making parents watch Taking a kid to have to go to the neighbor's house to knock on the door so that they can get them to open the door so that they can rape the women kill the people in front of family and And and make mothers watch their children being butchered.

Yeah, it's terrible there's a big difference between that and doing a Economic negotiation over tariffs as far as Panama Panama we're basically saying hey, you're we gave you this we never charged you for it but the idea was that it would be fair and you're you're having the

Our enemy come in and use that to prevent us from being able to defend our country so That is kind of them us holding them to the to the agreement that was made.

That's not Destroying them, you know launching attacks on Panama and Cuba we didn't launch any anything there

Mexico What are these attacks? Mexico has been Sending people in if you don't know if you came to the southern border of Mexico saying you want to come to America They stuck you on a bus and brought you right in They they would fund it

So they're you know Kind of saying hey, we're gonna talk tough with you is protecting our national security.

That is a direct interest of America, and I think I when I read this

I interpreted it as he was trying to analogize

US and then neighboring countries Attack Israel because Israel attacks all these neighboring countries.

It's not the same thing Because we're making trade agreements which with Canada Yeah, Iran is sending people in to kill people if you can't see the difference there

Then there is no rational discussion that can occur Yep, like I would like if I saw that I probably would have just said yeah, you're just not rational

Stick to cutting lawns Mike. Maybe you do that. Well, but thinking is not your strong suit here

Right, I Want to I want to read something by a Maximilian If if he disagrees with me

Anyone's welcome to join apologetics live just go to apologetics live Thursday nights 8 to 10 Eastern Time.

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But I can answer every question you have about God in the Bible, but I don't know is perfectly fine, right? I don't know is a perfectly good answer.

Yep. There you go. Never say it's gonna be a satisfactory answer Right, I Okay, so here's what

I'd like to do. I just want to read this comment by Maximilian Jackson It is a long one

It will react on it. And then I think we'll wrap up because because I think for the most part we have

Accomplished what I wanted to accomplish. I wanted to clarify a few things regarding Israel What is what is

Israel? What is dispensationalism and what is? The 12 -day war all about what are we seeing?

What is? the What is actually happening? versus All of these different opinions like what basically what we saw with Tucker Carlson is what we're seeing on the internet is

Two people talking past each other. That's really what it was if you want to really Summarize Ted Cruz versus Tucker and by the way

I know people shout out to Mike Mike Young the charismatic cheetah He thinks

Tucker Carlson was brilliant in that interview and in for me. I Don't and I love

I love you, buddy, bro, you know, but but we just disagree. I don't think that was a bright moment for Tucker He was all he did was talk past his

Opponent Ted Cruz there in Ted Cruz was talking past his opponent and what we need is we need real

Reflection on what the other side is saying. That's just so important for this topic and Things are things are veering out in left field

Let me say this before you get to the post is why why does Trump call it the 12 -day war because everyone so was so free

Oh, we're going to World War three. It's gonna be forever war. That's how they were saying it The reason he called it a 12 -day war is to make it the point it's done.

It's over We did what we did everyone's pulling back now. It's time for negotiations and peace, right?

It's a call the 12 -day war says it's over Right, that's the whole thing and and back to the

Trump domain derangement syndrome You have the left now wanting to argue whether it was any good

So so literally one of the other funniest posts I saw this past week was someone posted, you know the day before The bombing

CNN says there that Iran is years away from nuclear weapons the day after the bombing

We did nothing they can have nukes tomorrow Right, and so they're they're instead of just saying

We're done with it because they kept saying we're gonna be in war forever. Now, what are they doing? They're saying?

Well, we didn't do anything. We didn't accomplish anything because they want to ignore the success that occurred Yeah, and that it's over And and reading

Maximilian's comment here he brought up what he said about Israel being close to nuclear weapons and I said, you know close could mean a number of things.

I mean Sorry, Iran being close to nuclear weapons. Not Israel. I said close could mean a number of things if If a country that hates me is three years away from a nuclear weapon.

I think that's close That's really close, you know Granted there's a lot of details that go into this even four years because that's a different president if you had another

Joe Biden Then we're toast. We're done. Yeah Yeah so so there's that but I needed to make it clear that that I'm not for us going into war and and I Think you are in the same spot there.

You're not for us going into war with that said We did what we did and we were effective and I think

Trump made the right decision he made the right decision with what he did despite the the

What's a good word for it the meltdown that the libertarian side of the Trump wing?

Had over the situation. It actually went quite well and there was no regime change there is no forever war like you said and And You know, he's like in my mind close can only mean one thing if I am using that as a desire

Decider of whether or not to start a war and yes So so essentially he's saying Close means

I'm saying this so I can go to war That's not the case.

He's speaking out of his own ignorance here But he says and yes, I've heard multiple people say that Iran is weak

But then those same people say Israel is right to be worried by it, which is it well dude

Iran has The ability to get nukes there. They're so close. Of course, they should be afraid of that Well, they were but there's a different aspect.

They were weak and Then we strengthened them America did when Biden gave them billions of dollars

Yeah So if you're gonna blame someone blame the Biden administration whoever was controlling the auto pen for for releasing that money

Absolutely, his critique of Israel is this Israel should be seeking a better future with its neighbors neighbors including

Iran Okay, hold on later up there because they are it's either hammock accords that by the way

There's talk the rumor is Syria and Libya are going to join that accord so Trump not only got four of the

Countries around Israel to do a peace deal on his first term He may get some of the biggest enemies of Israel coming to a peace agreement now.

Yeah, so There's there's rumor. There's four more countries that want to be added So yeah, thanks the bombing did it

Yes, and he's like well, you shouldn't make Iran weakened defenseless Well Iran is an enemy

You know Iran was already pretty weak.

Oh, but this this is the kicker though He says that's not how a nation works. Imagine if Europe ran that way.

That's what Hitler tried to do It's like dude And by the way, like I talked about this very thing in my response

Was there's also another really long response and and I won't try to get into that but I say

Finally your Hitler comparison is historically ridiculous Hitler wasn't trying to keep the peace by weakening dangerous regimes

He was the dangerous regime slaughtering millions and conquering neighbors. You inverted the story

Entirely like he's gonna go and compare Hitler to Israel That well, there's a big difference there and and I'm gonna

I made and this may seem odd But because I think a lot of people misunderstand Hitler Hitler was was unlike Israel Israel's not trying to take these countries over to to occupy them

Okay Israel's trying to have is trying to defend itself against enemies Hitler was trying to take over what he thought was the

German territory and he was doing it through peaceful means until It couldn't be peaceful anymore.

Yeah okay, and so when he went into Paris because of Treaties that Paris had with other countries it brought the

UK into war not that they wanted to but they because of Treaties they had to I think

Hitler would have been fine with trying to take over all those countries without war if he could But the the killing of the people whereas mostly the

Jewish people but that that had a totally different purpose that was that's what unified a very fractured

Germany in giving them a common enemy and what he got into power with the the blaming of Jewish people for all the ills of Germany that he had to stay in power with by continuing it and It got to the point where he was killing millions of Jewish people, but the war was was a kind of a separate thing

See that was something of him Just trying to in his mind take over the countries that should have been

German Israel's not doing that It's a ridiculous comparison but But I you know, but I guess you can make any comparison as long as it's against Israel That was

I forget who it is. It says once someone brings up Hitler the conversations done Right.

Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. That's actually a good point on both sides there is there is there are there's a

Number of people out there with you or if you criticize Israel all then you support Hitler and that's just not true

You can criticize Israel. It is okay to criticize Israel as long as you've got a good reason for it

This is not a good reason to criticize to criticize Israel at all. It's this is ridiculous

I want to keep reading here just to give you an idea He says I think Israel could easily deal with its

Iran problem and leave Iran and its nuclear program alone

That's just laughable by the way If it would agree to a two -state

Palestinian solution Israel has already tried to do that It so the reality is for folks that don't understand there is a two -state solution right now.

It's called Hamas It's actually a three -state solution. It's Hamas and it's

Hezbollah They've given so Israel has the land they gave that land over To those to those people to govern and by the way, there were person people forcibly removed from the land yet Gaza was this wonderful area and many

Jewish people were forcibly removed By the Israeli army out of their homes that they that had been in their homes for generations

So that the people that that are there now could run it themselves, there's a three -state solution it hasn't worked

And and by the way, Iran doesn't want a two -state or three -state solution.

They want a one -state solution They're the ones calling for the elimination of Israel. They've never worked for a two -state solution

You can't work with a country that wants you gone. You can't And What you did this guy's not thinking in reality whatsoever is like you need the two -state

Palestinian solution You need to sign agree Agreements and treaties with all the burning Arab nations for protection and age in an aid

They did that with the Abraham Accords. So let me let me say this and it'll be the kind of maybe final thing

I'll say on this. Yeah, hope you know is this People have to recognize that not everyone thinks like you so many of these people the they're using leftist arguments are people who are trying to argue as If the people in the

Middle East are Americans, it is a totally different culture Yeah, and the things you value here in America like individualism.

They don't respect No, they don't see that like we don't value hospitality.

That's a huge thing there we we Look at things individually.

We don't think of it as an area of shame and pride and honor We don't we don't value honor for generation after generation

They do and so they have a long -term view and they're they they value strength.

Why did they bow so quickly to Trump? Because he was the first one to come with strength and that's what they value and you know it for those who know the name

Nabil Koresh People would watch him debate and he would debate

American Muslims very different than Middle Eastern Muslims and he said why?

Because in the Middle East if you don't show that you're passionate if you don't show that you're you're your voice is raised and you seem angry they believe you don't care and So they think you don't really believe this so he had to debate differently to the audience so that they would understand and If you think that those in the

Middle East have a Western mind of thinking you're wrong and That's why these arguments that they think are so strong.

They don't work. I wish they would Yeah yes, and it's it's it's amazing just how

Man maybe we should have some geopolitics classes in in public schools, or maybe just get rid of public schools.

I don't know but uh Yeah, got you there. Um Yes, I just want to say

Andrew. Thank you for being on the podcast. Thank you for your expertise in this area You're actually an excellent person to have on a podcast regarding Israel regarding geopolitics regarding some of the things that Are really hot -button issues right now and as Christians, how do we talk through these things?

Well, we don't want to be like Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson where you just talk past each other You really want to make conclusions based on what is actually true.

What is the truth? What's the case? And I knew that I could have that sort of conversation with you in talking about Israel Dispensationalism and the 12 -day war.

I'm glad that Israel won that war. I hope it stays a 12 -day war that it doesn't need to be picked up and Those of you

Christians out there who maybe disagree with maybe some of our conclusions or some of the things we've got to say about this

Here's the thing You can disagree with us disagree with us But let's set aside all the talking points and let's address what is actually there

What is actually being said? Versus a caricature of what is being said and let's have real genuine conversation

One of the worst things that I hear from people is oh you've already bought into the propaganda.

Well, okay, that's Conspiratorial and that's not helpful. Let's have real Christian conversation when it comes to these cultural issues these things that affect all of us in our society and Maybe we should quit teasing the dispensationalists so much.

Maybe we could give them a break Andrew anything you'd like to say before I Send this off to a close.

Well, I want to just thank you for having me on it's it really is a privilege really appreciate it and I You know be on here again sometime

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I guarantee it. So with that said, thank you so much bold apology of podcast listeners Looking forward to the next conversation

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